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SoundDiver problem
Friday, 06-Nov-98 23:18:59

140.254.113.64 writes:

Yet more SoundDiver questions... I saved a new patch in memory that I edited at the
K5k instead of SoundDiver. Now when I try to request from the K5k I get the error
message:

"SysEx Communication Error
Checksum Error for K5000S"

I've checked, and SoundDiver sees my MIDI interface, so that's not the problem. On
the positive side, it seems like I can still edit the patches it recognizes. Any
suggestions?

Also, in the harmonic envelope graphics, there are two colored blocks (green and
black/grey) that look like they should be adjustable. I can only seem to manipulate
the green block, and then only as a full group. What menus am I not seeing to
edit this stuff?

Bob

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Re: SoundDiver problem
Sunday, 08-Nov-98 01:16:24

140.254.113.38 writes:

Last time I asked this:

"Also, in the harmonic envelope graphics, there are two colored blocks (green and
black/grey) that look like they should be adjustable. I can only seem to manipulate
the green block, and then only as a full group. What menus am I not seeing to
edit this stuff?"

I figured that out. I can also request info from the K5k in SoundDiver one patch at
a time, but still not request all the sounds at once without getting the error. I'm
also having trouble deleting patches from SoundDiver and having it take effect
in the K5k memory.

Advice is appreciated.

Bob

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Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Monday, 09-Nov-98 11:36:52

207.93.160.77 writes:

As far as deleting patches in the K5000, once you've deleted the patch in
SoundDiver, I think you will need to send the entire bank to the synth. That
should work.

When requesting banks from the K5000, you must first highlight the entire bank in
SoundDiver. The software will only retrieve what is highlighted. You probably
already know that, but I thought I'd mention it anyway!

Alby

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Re: Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Monday, 09-Nov-98 19:32:44

209.214.60.85 writes:

As to your sysex error, I had a strange thing happen to me with SoundDiver and my
K5000S. If I highlighted an entire bank at once, I'd get an error and sometimes a
crash. I had the same strange behavior in my Wavestation module. I found
that to get it to work, I had to highlight the whole bank, then hold the CTRL key
down and click to un-highlite one entry (usually the last). Then, it worked every
time.

Terry

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Re: Re: Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Tuesday, 10-Nov-98 08:08:04

164.107.171.51 writes:

Hmmm...

I tried this and still got the same error. I guess I'll just have to request
patches one at a time (oh, the tedium...). Thanks anyway.

Bob

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Tuesday, 10-Nov-98 21:00:51

207.93.160.104 writes:

No, you shouldn't have to put up with transferring patches one at a time. What
computer and interface are you using? Are you going through any kind of midi
patcher?

I'm sure there is a solution.

Alby

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Tuesday, 10-Nov-98 21:47:49

140.254.113.88 writes:

I have a 133 MHz Pentium w/ 48 MB RAM and a Music Quest (now Opcode) MQX-32M MIDI
interface. 'Fraid I don't know what a MIDI patcher is though.

While we're at it, how do I get SoundDiver to read new KA1 files into an existing
library? I've been loading into the K5k directly from floppy, and then requesting
the patch in SoundDiver.

Are we taking up too much space? Should we move this to email, or is this
instructive to others too?

Bob

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SoundDiver problem
Thursday, 12-Nov-98 19:36:17

209.214.60.226 writes:

The interface -- the Opcode MQX-32M MIDI interface -- may be the problem. Go to
the SoundDiver site:

http://www.emagic.se

and write a note to the author, Michael Hayden. He's indicated on several
occasions that many interfaces won't work properly. The biggest reason is their
not being 32-bit cards, since SoundDiver is written to optimize 32-bit coding.
Commonly, updating the driver (from Opcode's website http://www.opcode.com) fixes
things as well. Also, try putting the K5000 on as the only thing in the interface
(no thrus anywhere). I have a Music Quest/Opcode PC MIDI CARD in the portable PC,
and it dislikes sending large sysex to the Wavestations through/via the also-Opcode
8-Port/SE (my midi-patcher, or multi-port router, if you will, an interface with 8
MIDI in's and 8 MIDI outs.)

There's no reason why you can't find the problem. Fret not -- everybody has
these problems! ;-)

Terry

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Emagic Is Investigating SoundDiver K5k Editor Bugs!
Tuesday, 24-Nov-98 06:22:36

207.75.177.69 writes:

For those of you who are experiencing problems w/ SDiver: I just received an email
from Michael Haydn of Emagic (Please see below). Looks like we'll have a bug fix
soon.

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At 21:42 -0500 23.11.98, H.M. Kim wrote:
>I can request & transmit a single patch
>without any problem, but when I request an entire bank, SDiver freezes.

I heard about this bug, and am currently investigating it.

Beste Gruesse - best regards,

Michael Haydn
EMAGIC Soft- und Hardware GmbH
SoundDiver Group Executive
Project Manager Unitor8 Control
Logic Windows Developer
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HM Kim

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More bugs than features in System 4.0 for the 'R?
Thursday, 03-Dec-98 05:15:04

194.172.230.108 writes:

1. You say that you can switch the effects on again with the L4 button? With my
K5000R, I can't. More than that - I even can't switch them off no more!

2. The LINK function? No, it's not there!

3. The spoiled my beautiful "FettFett" patch! Sniff! Now, that's a really stange
bug - above a certain note the sound gets an amplitude envelope which I did not
program (and which is ugly)!

Waiting for version 4.1 ...
Jens ( g r o h @ i r t . d e )

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Re: More bugs than features in System 4.0 for the 'R?
Tuesday, 08-Dec-98 12:37:30

206.109.6.1 writes:

I upgraded to 4.0, turned memory protect off and did a bulk sysex dump to restore
all of my patches in Banks A and D. I did a "backup" and turned off the machine.
The next day, Bank A was back to the system 4.0 defaults while Bank D
was fine. I tried this several times to confirm...Backup would not save Bank A
patches. Grrr.

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sound diver frustration
Tuesday, 08-Dec-98 22:18:43

208.143.10.11 writes:

a while back, i saved my d bank to sound diver. now i want to put it back, and it
says there isn't enough memory in that bank for the patches i have in the sound
diver library, yet those exact patches were on the k5k before. why is it doing this?

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Deleting all patches won't help
Tuesday, 08-Dec-98 23:27:24

128.200.244.116 writes:

I too have had many problems with SoundDiver giving me memory errors. I thought a
clever solution to the problem would be to delete all the patches from the K5000
memory (and saving this bank) before transmitting data from SoundDiver. This made
things much much worse. I couldn't even correctly send ONE patch to the K5000!!
Apparently, NO PATCHES = NO FREE MEMORY. Huh?

Matt

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Re: Deleting all patches won't help
Wednesday, 09-Dec-98 10:02:33

194.172.230.108 writes:

There is a bug in the K5000 system software. (3.01 for the 'R) The memory
organization is corrupted as soon as you delete the last patch of a bank. No more
editing, saving, copying possible in the appropriate memory bank! Probably not with
SoundDiver either. My K5000R did only recover from this state when I loaded an
entire bank from a diskette.

A solution: Delete all but one! It may be a good idea to save that almost empty
bank for the case you want to delete "all" patches again: Just reload it.

( g r o h @ i r t . d e )

Jens Groh

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Version 4 problems and MCB question
Wednesday, 09-Dec-98 22:08:41

209.122.247.115 writes:

I have the 5000w, and the sequencer compress data function doesn't work anymore!
I used that thing a lot.

Why doesn't kawai have a realtime undo in the punchin and out function? that's
real annoying.

Does anybody know anyway to assign the 4 extra
MCB knobs on the 5000w?

Ivan

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Re: Punch-in with no undo
Friday, 11-Dec-98 19:29:24

209.214.60.18 writes:

Why doesn't kawai have a realtime undo in the punchin and out function? that's
real annoying.

They expect you to work on a copy (this is suggested by what I found in the manual
for my shiney new Kawai Q80-EXE hardware sequencer, which I love, but I meander,
don't I?)

Terry

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System Volume
Saturday, 26-Dec-98 20:15:22

205.188.199.27 writes:

Stupid question here. I just picked up my K5K and love it. Only thing, when I set
the System Volume to a lower setting, it returns to 127 after I power it down and
turn it back on. Is there a way to set it so that it will stay at a lower volume
upon power up? Or is 127 the default and I better make sure my volume levers are
turned down before I play?

P.S. Sam Ash of West Hollywood had two K5K's left as of today, Sat. December 26th.
$459. Incredible deal!!!

Alan

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Re: System Volume
Sunday, 27-Dec-98 12:55:59

209.214.60.177 writes:

Yes, I noticed that the K5K not only resets its volume and other basic settings to
defaults (such as Local On), but also transmits 127 values for controllers 7 and 1
and maybe some others, and program Zero, resetting any machines set to
receive from the K5K (all of them, in my case!) I got around it by placing a
little startup sequence in a handy place on my sequencer that I load and send off
whenever I power up the system. This serves to accomplish many more things now
than simply place my K5K back to a state I desire, but also sends several sysex
commands. So, a problem with the K5K led me to a better solution for working with
my setup as a whole.

Terry

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SoundDiver problems (OEM and full version)
Sunday, 03-Jan-99 18:29:47

206.181.95.194 writes:

Ok, I have both the full version (2.0.6) of SoundDiver and the K5000s OEM version.
Having problems. I'm using a Toshiba Portege 320ct laptop and a MIDIman portman 2x4
parallel MIDI interface. Here's what's happening:

1) in OEM, when I select the ADD D bank (I have the mem upgrade) and click the MIDI
Request menu option to grab the bank from the K5000s it sits for a few seconds and
gives me a Sysex error that I must abort out of. All other banks A, E, F and Multi,
work fine.

2) In the full version, when I do the same for ANY of the ADD banks, the status bar
shows it's working and goes to the end of it's run like all is well, but then sits
there and I have to either esc out of the request or reboot (50/50). Any ideas
anyone? Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. BTW, using K5000s OS3.

Kris

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Re: SoundDiver problems (OEM and full version)
Monday, 04-Jan-99 02:49:59

209.214.60.17 writes:

KRIS:
Try this: highlight the whole bank or banks, then hold the control (CTRL) key down
and un-highlight just the last patch in each bank. Then push the 'Request' button.
Tell me if that works for you.

Oh, my! This may be the first Kawai message-boards cross-post! :-|

Terry

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More OS upgrade Ideas
Wednesday, 13-Jan-99 08:15:56

194.112.32.101 writes:

Hi All!!! :o)
Just upgraded (with no problems .... phew) to OS 4.0 ... some lovely new patches!!
& I like the fact that they weren't stingy by loading a 100 of them in the A bank
alone!!..... However a couple of questions....

1) It would have been a good Idea to have the synth REMEMBER it's state when you
power down, ready to continue when you restart ... ie .. If your in an edit,
remember what page & point your're at .. or at least simply remember which patch
or Multi you were last using .... Afterall, a lot if not most other synths do this
... I even remember my old meager DX11 capable of this....

2) I have also noticed in the midi setup that, granted it DOES remember which
basic midi channel you set the synth to .. but on power cycling, it FORGETS if you
set 'Local' to OFF .... annoying, when you are in a multi synth setup, having it
clang away until you have to continually reset the 'local' setting every time you
power up .. GGGRRRR ;o)

So ..... with these in mind, do KAWAI intend to continue to bring out OS upgrades
& support this amazing synth.. or is 4 it!!??? ... IF so ... will Kawai release a
full technical spec etc., so that the MADDER techy individuals umong us will be
able to grace us with their own bespoke OS features based on OUR feedback ....
NOW THERES AN IDEA!!!? (ANY BUDDING PROGRAMMING EXPERTS UP FOR THE CHALLANGE TO
KEEP THIS BEAST GROWING?) ...

BTW ... I'll post some of the wierd & wonderful music I've created using my K5K
soon for you all to enjoy .... (Very Goa tranceish ....)

Lazarus

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K5ks, OS4, Sysex Dumps & PROBLEMS!
Friday, 15-Jan-99 10:38:06

153.35.140.89 writes:

When under the System->Dump menu if I try to dump a single Multi the K5k only
allows me to select multis M01~M48. Has anyone else had this same problem? Would
anyone else with the same setup as mine (K5000S, OS4 & ME1) be willing to
investigate? I would love to know if this is a global error or if something is
just fishy with my setup. Thanks!

jon
jonwest@i-c.net

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More info....
Friday, 15-Jan-99 12:05:01

153.35.138.201 writes:

Heres an update, I reloaded OS3 and surprise, it now works correctly! OS4 still
chokes on multis M49~M64 though. What gives?

jon
jonwest@i-c.net

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Re: More info....
Tuesday, 26-Jan-99 12:30:10

209.214.60.176 writes:

Weird! I think you just found a new bug! (My system concurs with your findings
exactly -- gee I love talking like that -- wish I had more opportunities.)

Terry

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Re: Re: More info....
Wednesday, 27-Jan-99 01:12:24

153.35.108.45 writes:

Thanks! I'm almost glad to hear that it's a bug. I guess Kawai will HAVE to do an
OS5 now! I suspected that it might be a bug since they probably didn't test
sending out individual sysex messages past the first few. It's easy to see how
you could miss something like this.

jon
jonwest@i-c.net

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SoundDiver problems (OEM and full version)
Sunday, 03-Jan-99 18:29:47

206.181.95.194 writes:

Kris

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Re: SoundDiver problems (OEM and full version)
Monday, 04-Jan-99 02:49:59

209.214.60.17 writes:

Oh, my! This may be the first Kawai message-boards cross-post! :-|

Terry

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Weird Panning Problem in Multi Settings
Monday, 04-Jan-99 22:06:54

207.75.176.183 writes:

When a patch is processed with overdrive/distortion effects in a multi program,
it always plays at near dead center regardless of its panning position (OS version
4.0). Anybody knows what's going on?

H.M. Kim

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Re: Weird Panning Problem in Multi Settings
Wednesday, 06-Jan-99 16:44:28

192.28.2.49 writes:

Some of the effects sum the left and right channels before applying the effect.
This is a problem for "all wet" effects like overdrive. To complicate matters,
there's no pan control after the effect.

Probably the best solution is to send it to an independent out and pan it in your
mixer. Another solution is to let some dry (stereo) signal through the effect, but
this will change the sound.

leiter

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I 'downdated' to version 3.01
Wednesday, 27-Jan-99 05:09:03

194.172.230.108 writes:

I wish they made at least a version 4.1 where the main bugs are fixed:
--- Loop mode display in DHE Multiview menu is still wrong.
--- "Wave 398 hi area of decay & release is not same as lower&middle area."
They state that this is a fixed bug. No - it's a new bug! (Or should I call
it a feature?)
--- The Multi patch dump bug that jon (jonwest@i-c.net) discovered recently.
--- Some new features (e.g. link mode) are still not available on the "R".
--- The macro knobs affect arpeggiator timing. Before version 4.0 it was the
other way: The arpeggiator affected macro knob timing (and/or their value
display). Can anyone confirm this? (There is possibly a difference between
the "S" and the "R".)

( g r o h @ i r t . d e )

Jens Groh

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